Evangelicals are NOT friends or follower of Jesus Christ

Ms. Parker, Happy Labor Day!

What follows may seem harsh. I am a man of faith; not of religion. Having read your Sunday Post column on evangelicals, I offer what follows.

I left a company in 1993 as one of its vice presidents to enter theology school/seminary. At that time I was 48 years old. I took that route as the result of a profound spiritual experience.

Although I am a graduate theologian and ordained in the Episcopal tradition, I have remained in the private business sector. Two fellow clergy said that I should not join the organized Church because I have “too much to say”. I am not swayed by dogma or doctrine. Much in the traditions of Native Americans and Buddha, I embrace the Divine as Spirit. By the way, are you aware that most of the prized Jesuit writers studied Buddha (including my mentor into seminary)?

Having shared that, I must say that I consider all E(e)vangelicals a cult. They are further from God and Christ than the Great Satan.

How can I say that, you might ask?

By original Merriam-Webster definition, “evangelical” refers to one who believes the four Gospels to be the spoken word of Jesus of Nazareth. Some will included The Acts of the Apostles in that collection, although The Acts are not part of the Gospels. Evangelicals and fundamentalists fail at multiple to follow the Teachings found in the Gospels.

Years ago, not long after completing my graduate degree in Judeo-Christian Theology, I happened to be speaking with a young lady who described herself as a “big E” evangelical. The small “e” evangelicals simply weren’t equal to the big “E”. I was not amused. Then this woman asked if I knew of any “big E” churches in the Boston area where I was living at the time. Logically, as one of those “dangerously liberal Episcopalians” I responded, “No. I know of no such church in this area.’ She then responded, “I just want a church were I can ‘get down with Jesus’. I don’t want any of the love crap.” WOW! I sat back, fully stunned.

That attitude pervades the evangelical, fundamentalist and Pentecostal cultures. They focus on what is wrong with YOU; not where they are failing or how many “sins” they have committed. The evangelical/fundamentalist movement since the early1990s has resulted in many self-claiming Christians to avoid even discussing our faith out of embarrassment and a sense of shame over the distortions created by the evangelicals and fundamentalists.

As a homosexual male, I have a keen understanding of the hatred and animosity (vile venom) that flows freely from the mouths of evangelicals and fundamentalists. WHO are they to say that I am not a Child of God? I am who and what I am by the Grace of God. I refuse to take the stilted posture that I – I – can take the place of or speak on behalf of God. If one fully understands faith, one accepts that “sins” of the Spirit are far worse and more egregious than “sins” of the flesh.

The fact these cults are taking an active role in politics without punishment or the cessation of their tax-free status speaks volumes on how the idea of separation of church and state is being (and, has been) widely violated. Let us not forget how Jerry Falwell was appointed to Reagan’s NSC; both men believing that HIV/AIDS was “God’s punishment” for being queer. How convenient they ignored the forty million heterosexual Africans infected with HIV!!

No, Ms. Parker, evangelicals are not true and faithful followers of Jesus. They are a cult that thrives on demonizing those who do not embrace their corrupt form of theology. They are every bit the Seed of Satan, and they have reached their pinnacle by nurturing that Seed in its most public and profound agent: Donald J. Trump. I doubt Trump believes in any god but himself, by the way.

Christianity as faith and religion has been dying through the ages. Roman Catholic priests and clergy are yet another example of the disease that is consuming the Christian faith.

I grew up in the 1950s, born exactly one week after D-Day. We said a prayer before every meal; even when dining out (which was quite seldom). Growing up in the Lutheran Church where I was baptized and confirmed, I was in choir; youth leadership; Boy Scouts and fundraising. I believe those basics provided a good and solid foundation for me as a person; but not necessarily as a “religious” person. We did not express a need to proselytize. We simply embraced our own beliefs. Our faith was private.

Jesus of Nazareth warns about the hypocrites, the false prophets; the judgmental members of the tribe; the stone throwers; those who dare to stand on the Head of God. Evangelicals do not welcome the Teachings of Jesus. If they did, their world would be far different and our world would be far less toxic and much better off.

Best regards,
(The Reverend) M. Vincent Turner

Male Circumcision

Labor Day 2018

Georganne Chapin
INTACT America
PO Box 8516
Tarrytown, NY 10591

Re: American Circumcision

Dear Georganne:

This weekend I purchased and watched “American Circumcision” through my Amazon account.

This film is orchestrated extremely well. It is highly informative, offering a whole host of insights and facts into male (and, female) circumcision.

Other than the two male doctors, the one from Australia and the one with the bow tie, the people in this film are quite likeable. Those two doctors should be taken out and horse whipped for their arrogance, ignorance and dismissive indifference toward circumcised men who have come to regret it. My Power of Attorney/Executor is a very longtime friend and a Jew who has never forgiven being circumcised. He considers it an outrage that his penis was “mutilated” without his having any say in it.

My father was vehement about keeping his sons “natural” and actually resented the very concept of circumcision. When I was age 13 I expressed a desire to be circumcised “to look like most of the other boys”. Wow! That was huge mistake. Needless to say, my wish was not answered and today I am very pleased by that fact.

Now, some thoughts on circumcision that I may have shared with you in earlier writings:
Scripture and circumcision: I seriously doubt that “God” told Abraham to circumcise himself and all the males within his tribe. The Ancient Israelites hated the gentiles, considering us unclean and barbaric (as if they weren’t!). I believe early circumcision was done to assure Israelite males were “different” from the gentiles. That thought is borne out with the post-Hellenic extreme and excessive form of circumcision, initiated so that the Israelite boys could not perform foreskin restoration.

Circumcision and HIV/AIDS: The assertion that there is a greater risk of contracting HIV/AIDS if one is not circumcised has no basis of proof. Every friend I lost to AIDS, including my first partner, was circumcised. I have no STDs or STIs. The hyperbole created by misinformation about HIV/AIDS as it relates to circumcision versus non-circumcision is intentionally driven to promote circumcision.

The America Academy of Pediatrics: It is time – past time, actually – the Academy relent on its promotion of circumcision and focus on keeping males “whole” from their point of birth. As medical “professionals” (said tongue in cheek), their persistence and insistence on male circumcision is unethical.

The increased presence of uncircumcised men: In erotic film, over the last decade there has been a growing presence of uncircumcised male performers. The idea that uncircumcised penises were some-how “dirty” and “unattractive” has given way to more openness and understanding. After all, foreskin – as you and I know – is natural. Many circumcised penises look as though they have been butchered. Some of my circumcised friends have remarked that reaching orgasm can become so tedious it almost is not worth the effort.

While watching “American Circumcision” my emotions ran the gamut from full-on rage to welling up with tears. The flippant insolence of the two doctors who are so supportive of circumcision left me in a state of rage. The story of the mother whose son suffers from a botched circumcision left me speechless and feeling very sad. I also note the number of women involved; and that a woman, Marilyn Milos, initiated this conversation decades ago. (I once remarked to a lady friend that the penis is to the man what breasts are to the woman. Her response: “Wow, I never thought of it that way.”)

Through Facebook I have joined numerous Intact groups throughout the country. The work you are doing and what you have done already is beyond praiseworthy. This topic deserves and demands a far wider audience. Men have been diminished not by their own intentions, but by parents and doctors who are either ill-informed or stuck in a mythical belief pattern wrongly directed. In either case, that must change. Perhaps my voice and participation will help to bring that change about. I have a gut sense there are certain organizations at work that simply want to punish the penis. How sad is that!

As I prepared to complete this letter, the latest issue of “The Advocate” appeared in my Email. Jonathan Conte and your film are featured, generating heated discussion. Sadly, many men who posted remarks are poorly informed; some defensive or hyperbolic in their posts. I suspect this “touched a nerve” among some of those men. Some readers conclude, erroneously, that this is / was a topic limited to gays (probably the result of “The Advocate” featuring Conte in their article). Some responses are immature and obviously defensive. I suggested they view the film; then, comment.

Over this last decade I have become increasingly dismayed, discouraged and demoralized from wit-nessing the level of ignorance and stupidity in America – on myriad subjects. Circumcision is just one.

With warm regards,

(The Reverend) M. Vincent Turner

American Circumcision

Georganne Chapin
INTACT America
PO Box 8516
Tarrytown, NY 10591

Re: American Circumcision

Dear Georganne:

This weekend I purchased and watched “American Circumcision” through my Amazon account.

This film is orchestrated extremely well. It is highly informative, offering a whole host of insights and facts into male (and, female) circumcision.

Other than the two male doctors, the one from Australia and the one with the bow tie, the people in this film are quite likeable. Those two doctors should be taken out and horse whipped for their arrogance, ignorance and dismissive indifference toward circumcised men who have come to regret it. My Power of Attorney/Executor is a very longtime friend and a Jew who has never forgiven being circumcised. He considers it an outrage that his penis was “mutilated” without his having any say in it.

My father was vehement about keeping his sons “natural” and actually resented the very concept of circumcision. When I was age 13 I expressed a desire to be circumcised “to look like most of the other boys”. Wow! That was huge mistake. Needless to say, my wish was not answered and today I am very pleased by that fact.

Now, some thoughts on circumcision that I may have shared with you in earlier writings:

Scripture and circumcision: I seriously doubt that “God” told Abraham to circumcise himself and all the males within his tribe. The Ancient Israelites hated the gentiles, considering us unclean and barbaric (as if they weren’t!). I believe early circumcision was done to assure Israelite males were “different” from the gentiles. That thought is borne out with the post-Hellenic extreme and excessive form of circumcision, initiated so that the Israelite boys could not perform foreskin restoration.

Circumcision and HIV/AIDS: The assertion that there is a greater risk of contracting HIV/AIDS if one is not circumcised has no basis of proof. Every friend I lost to AIDS, including my first partner, was circumcised. I have no STDs or STIs. The hyperbole created by misinformation about HIV/AIDS as it relates to circumcision versus non-circumcision is intentionally driven to promote circumcision.

The America Academy of Pediatrics: It is time – past time, actually – the Academy relent on its promotion of circumcision and focus on keeping males “whole” from their point of birth. As medical “professionals” (said tongue in cheek), their persistence and insistence on male circumcision is unethical.

The increased presence of uncircumcised men: In erotic film, over the last decade there has been a growing presence of uncircumcised male performers. The idea that uncircumcised penises were some-how “dirty” and “unattractive” has given way to more openness and understanding. After all, foreskin – as you and I know – is natural. Many circumcised penises look as though they have been butchered. Some of my circumcised friends have remarked that reaching orgasm can become so tedious it almost is not worth the effort.

While watching “American Circumcision” my emotions ran the gamut from full-on rage to welling up with tears. The flippant insolence of the two doctors who are so supportive of circumcision left me in a state of rage. The story of the mother whose son suffers from a botched circumcision left me speechless and feeling very sad. I also note the number of women involved; and that a woman, Marilyn Milos, initiated this conversation decades ago. (I once remarked to a lady friend that the penis is to the man what breasts are to the woman. Her response: “Wow, I never thought of it that way.”)

Through Facebook I have joined numerous Intact groups throughout the country. The work you are doing and what you have done already is beyond praiseworthy. This topic deserves and demands a far wider audience. Men have been diminished not by their own intentions, but by parents and doctors who are either ill-informed or stuck in a mythical belief pattern wrongly directed. In either case, that must change. Perhaps my voice and participation will help to bring that change about. I have a gut sense there are certain organizations at work that simply want to punish the penis. How sad is that!

As I prepared to complete this letter, the latest issue of “The Advocate” appeared in my Email. Jona-than Conte and your film are featured, generating heated discussion. Sadly, many men who posted remarks are poorly informed; some defensive or hyperbolic in their posts. I suspect this “touched a nerve” among some of those men. Some readers conclude, erroneously, that this is / was a topic limited to gays (probably the result of “The Advocate” featuring Conte in their article). Some responses are immature and obviously defensive. I suggested they view the film; then, comment.

Over this last decade I have become increasingly dismayed, discouraged and demoralized from wit-nessing the level of ignorance and stupidity in America – on myriad subjects. Circumcision is just one.

With warm regards,